So currently I'm attempting to start looking up the venues that I plan to visit next year. This part of the process seems to go both simultaneously really slow and also really fast. Occasionally I'll find a website that dedicates itself to the same goal that I have. I've known about the All-Ages Movement Project for a while now, but last night I discovered a similar group geared towards houses that have DIY shows called Do DIY USA. If you're not familiar with them (as most people don't seem to be... and to an extent it looks like they're not familiar with each other) let me give you a little bit of the info that I've gleaned off of their websites.
The All-Ages Movement Project (or AMP for short) is a non-profit grant funded organization run out of San Francisco. Shannon, the project manager, has big dreams. She's currently creating a network of all-ages non-profit music and art collectives all around the United States. Her goal is to have a continually updated database of not only these collectives, but also tools that anyone can use to make their non-profit all-ages collective a reality, something permanent and reliable. She hopes to have a book out next year with stories from ten successful collectives and also at some point wants to mount a summit for these collectives. Like I said, big dreams.
Do DIY USA appears to be (and I say appears because I haven't talked to them like I've talked to Shannon, all I have to go on is their myspace) attempting to create a network of DIY venues across the United States, similar to AMP except with a different focus. They currently have listings of more than a few DIY house venues all over, from Iowa to New York, but it appears that there are only one, maybe two, legit venues on their list. They say they want to help bands book all all-ages tours and share resources. More power to them. I sent them a message and wait for a response back, maybe we can help each other.
As far as the research is going, it's somewhat tough. Although I can be sure to find venues in areas I plan to visit, there's no way that while it's still October I can discover who's going to be playing the night that I stop in these cities. After I conduct my research here I think I'll be a little more confident about contacting people and telling them what I'm about. But as a booker I know it can be somewhat intimidating to have something planned so far in advance when there are so many variables. Then again, maybe I should just bite the bullet and suck it up, stop being so timid about this.
Monday, October 29, 2007
Sunday, October 28, 2007
Research - Active! in Lakeport
So Dao is just incredibly awesome. She forwarded me this message from a girl in Lakeport about a group called Active! that does all-ages shows down there. It seems they've been putting stuff together since 2005, had a lot of shows at a bowling alley, but as the bowling alley wasn't doing enough business they had to stop doing shows there. They still have a yearly festival called Rocktoberfest, which I can only assume is also at the bowling alley. Lakeport is, after all, next to Clear Lake. The aformentioned girl is moving with her family up here and is interested in helping out The Placebo after she moves, or at least that's what I understand out of the message. Which, of course, is totally rad.
I want to see if I can do an interview with her or more people from this place, maybe talk to them when I'm on my way down or back from Tahoe this year. T'would be rad. I'll have already done my interview with Russ by then, so I might have a better idea of what I want to ask.
I want to see if I can do an interview with her or more people from this place, maybe talk to them when I'm on my way down or back from Tahoe this year. T'would be rad. I'll have already done my interview with Russ by then, so I might have a better idea of what I want to ask.
Friday, October 26, 2007
Preliminary Planning Stage 2
I feel it's time to move on to stage 2 of my plans. Not that I've accomplished everything from stage 1, I still have a bit of shopping and learning how to drive and such, but I can do that intermitantly. what's necessary now is research. I've just started researching the music of these areas, starting with Vancouver. Why Vancouver? Even though I'm going to have been through four cities before I get there? O yeah, because I already have a basic knowledge of what's going on in Oregon and Washington. So I'm starting with Vancouver. The only awareness I have of their scene is They Shoot Horses Don't They, this crazy band with more precussion than can fit in a suitcase.
I put up the placeholders and dates for the secondary route (which is actually first priority, but it's called route 2 because it was made-up second) with dates on the map. So there you go, Tab.
If you know of a particularly great band or venue from one of my cities, now is the time to tell me. I honestly don't have that much of an idea how to do this research bit besides Google-searching "[city name] all-ages music," which doesn't always turn up the best results (vancouvermusicscene.ca? Fuck that website. There's like, nothing there!).
I put up the placeholders and dates for the secondary route (which is actually first priority, but it's called route 2 because it was made-up second) with dates on the map. So there you go, Tab.
If you know of a particularly great band or venue from one of my cities, now is the time to tell me. I honestly don't have that much of an idea how to do this research bit besides Google-searching "[city name] all-ages music," which doesn't always turn up the best results (vancouvermusicscene.ca? Fuck that website. There's like, nothing there!).
Thursday, October 25, 2007
Preliminary Planning - Interview Questions
So I went out and bought myself a good mic from Target (and still, every time I even think of Target the song "Target has my Heart" by SOJH runs through my head). Okay, so maybe it's not a "good" mic per say, but it was $10. It's omni directional (which was pretty much my only requirement) and I can either use it in a stand or plug the mic-head directly into my laptop, which is good because I seem to pick up less static that way. As far as the other equipment goes, Gaura, my computer guru and roommate, suggests that I wait 'til Black Friday. Although the process of this scares me it would also be a good opportunity to grab some winter wear that I'm sure to need, just as long as I don't get trampled.
In any case, I'm writing today to brainstorm some good interview questions for Russ. He's going to do some recording for my sister tomorrow and maybe I can kill two birds with one stone and do an interview in another room or something.
Objectives to learn:
-How did you get involved in the scene?
-What are some of the positive experiences you've had with all-ages music?
-What are some of the negative experience you've had?
-What's kept you involved in all-ages music?
-How does playing an all-ages club feel different from playing in a bar?
-How does playing at a house feel different from playing somewhere else?
-What's your favorite all-ages club and why? How do the clubs differ?
-How do you think the community as a whole feels about all-ages music?
Somehow through this interview I want to steer towards talking about Out of the Sun's closing and re-opening, The Placebo, and a few other venues around here.
O, and on a last note, I think I'll officially here and now set the departure date for February 22nd. I'm tired of being wishy-washy about this. February 21st is my mom's birthday, so I kinda want to be here for that, it's a better marker than most as far as when would be a good time to leave. By my newly created schedule I should get back home by April 9th (just in time to file an extension on my tax return!)
I'm going driving again today, I already have my permit in my pocket. I've got a long way to go before I can feel confident shifting onto the freeway and heading north for Eugene.
In any case, I'm writing today to brainstorm some good interview questions for Russ. He's going to do some recording for my sister tomorrow and maybe I can kill two birds with one stone and do an interview in another room or something.
Objectives to learn:
-How did you get involved in the scene?
-What are some of the positive experiences you've had with all-ages music?
-What are some of the negative experience you've had?
-What's kept you involved in all-ages music?
-How does playing an all-ages club feel different from playing in a bar?
-How does playing at a house feel different from playing somewhere else?
-What's your favorite all-ages club and why? How do the clubs differ?
-How do you think the community as a whole feels about all-ages music?
Somehow through this interview I want to steer towards talking about Out of the Sun's closing and re-opening, The Placebo, and a few other venues around here.
O, and on a last note, I think I'll officially here and now set the departure date for February 22nd. I'm tired of being wishy-washy about this. February 21st is my mom's birthday, so I kinda want to be here for that, it's a better marker than most as far as when would be a good time to leave. By my newly created schedule I should get back home by April 9th (just in time to file an extension on my tax return!)
I'm going driving again today, I already have my permit in my pocket. I've got a long way to go before I can feel confident shifting onto the freeway and heading north for Eugene.
Monday, October 22, 2007
Review - The Vista 10-17-07 rough
A rough draft of a review of The Vista I was working on Wednesday night before, during, and after the show...
Imagining a Legend
I had never been to The Vista before re-opening. I had heard the tales, of course, the legends of former glory from Humboldt scene giants speaking of The Vista and some of the epic shows they used to have. In my mind I pictured a dark club with a stage in the back and a bar lit up on the side. Rockers filling the dance space wearing Docs and band t-shirts, milling about outside smoking cigarettes and drinking 40s of PBR. A punk rock paradise. Something more fitting in San Francisco, perhaps.
So I was at the re-opening show. I wanted to see the rumors for myself, to get some experience at The Vista for myself, to come out of the dark about this place. We get to the building, looking in the front door I can see it looks, for the most part, like a restaurant. A bar curls around and sea-oriented objects adorn the walls. I follow my more experienced friend to the music space by walking toward the kitchen and then into a wide hallway. A long window exposes dishwashers still cleaning the day's dirty wares. The band is set up at the end of this hallway in front of a window facing the bay. The ceiling is low, and the patrons of the venue stand around and talk in front of the band who are setting up. I can hear voices from outside, there's a door halfway through the room that opens into an "outdoor" area: a wood floored and walled deck with chicken wire roofing. The overheard fluorescents are turned off and two colored bulbs of blue and red provide the light and ambiance for the room. This isn't what I pictured.
Now I know that my report could cast a somewhat dismal light compared to my imagined beacon of rock 'n roll, but there's an important distinction between the two: the white hallway of The Vista is real. My flattering dreams aren't. The Vista has been booking way more shows than it can handle lately, and good shows too. There's always a local act on the bill and the price is usually $5 or less. The people are friendly unless you cause trouble, but the scene there is uneasy and unestablished. It's young. But full of old E-town scensters who remember the way things used to be. Given time, and a little help, The Vista will soon be once again the stuff of legend, and this time I'm going to get to be part of that.
Imagining a Legend
I had never been to The Vista before re-opening. I had heard the tales, of course, the legends of former glory from Humboldt scene giants speaking of The Vista and some of the epic shows they used to have. In my mind I pictured a dark club with a stage in the back and a bar lit up on the side. Rockers filling the dance space wearing Docs and band t-shirts, milling about outside smoking cigarettes and drinking 40s of PBR. A punk rock paradise. Something more fitting in San Francisco, perhaps.
So I was at the re-opening show. I wanted to see the rumors for myself, to get some experience at The Vista for myself, to come out of the dark about this place. We get to the building, looking in the front door I can see it looks, for the most part, like a restaurant. A bar curls around and sea-oriented objects adorn the walls. I follow my more experienced friend to the music space by walking toward the kitchen and then into a wide hallway. A long window exposes dishwashers still cleaning the day's dirty wares. The band is set up at the end of this hallway in front of a window facing the bay. The ceiling is low, and the patrons of the venue stand around and talk in front of the band who are setting up. I can hear voices from outside, there's a door halfway through the room that opens into an "outdoor" area: a wood floored and walled deck with chicken wire roofing. The overheard fluorescents are turned off and two colored bulbs of blue and red provide the light and ambiance for the room. This isn't what I pictured.
Now I know that my report could cast a somewhat dismal light compared to my imagined beacon of rock 'n roll, but there's an important distinction between the two: the white hallway of The Vista is real. My flattering dreams aren't. The Vista has been booking way more shows than it can handle lately, and good shows too. There's always a local act on the bill and the price is usually $5 or less. The people are friendly unless you cause trouble, but the scene there is uneasy and unestablished. It's young. But full of old E-town scensters who remember the way things used to be. Given time, and a little help, The Vista will soon be once again the stuff of legend, and this time I'm going to get to be part of that.
Thursday, October 11, 2007
Preliminary Planning - Map v. 1
This is what I've come up with based on hints and suggestions as far as a map of my route goes. If you have comments or tips or some bullshit like that that you want to throw-out there, now is the time. I plan to later go through and edit the descriptions of the placemarks and add dates and specific bands and venues to them.
Wednesday, October 10, 2007
Preliminary Planning - Local Interviews
Although I don't have a good mic yet, I know where I can get the equipment around here to conduct an interview and actually record it with some quality. So I'm currently planning out my own local interviews to start to get a handle on this thing. Instead of focusing on The Placebo (my first inclination, obviously) I'd like to get a better, more well-rounded picture of the all-ages scene in Humboldt. And really, I want to talk about the thing in the scene that I feel gave me the most joy (and maybe the most pain too, but in very personal ways). This is not The Placebo, but rather The Professional Superheroes. I plan to connect them to a good number of the local all-ages venues and the all-ages scene in general. To cover this story I plan to interview them (or at least Russ, maybe Devon and Oliver), people from The Placebo (Willoughby, Julie, Dao, Mike, Eva, etc.), and Tina from Out of the Sun. To round out the all-ages scene around here I plan to talk to someone pretty unrelated... John who books at The Vista and lives at The Firehouse, just to do a bit more coverage on house shows and for-profit venues.
I also started to write a rough piece about The Pro Heroes when I was bored in history...
"When it comes to the all-ages experience, it's first easiest to talk about my won experience. And when it comes to my own experience, it's first easiest to talk about The Placebo, but that wouldn't be really giving the whole picture, a picture talking about The Professional Superheroes would more easily provide. The Professional Superheroes (or Pro Heroes for short) were an indie rock cover group that I palled around with. Through the band i had experienc ewith many of the all-ages venues in the area, as well as somewhat playing without a tradtional venue. Most of he group's shows were all-ages, as most of its fans were under 21. They played the come-back show for Out of the Sun. They played Thee Parkside, which spends most of it's time being a 21+ bar. They played people's birthday parties. They played out on the street at Arts! Alive with a generator. And even removing the young fanbase, most of the members were models of the people passionate about the all-ages scene..."
Not much, I know, but perhaps to give a better idea why I'll focus on telling that story to tell the story of Humboldt all-ages music.
I also started to write a rough piece about The Pro Heroes when I was bored in history...
"When it comes to the all-ages experience, it's first easiest to talk about my won experience. And when it comes to my own experience, it's first easiest to talk about The Placebo, but that wouldn't be really giving the whole picture, a picture talking about The Professional Superheroes would more easily provide. The Professional Superheroes (or Pro Heroes for short) were an indie rock cover group that I palled around with. Through the band i had experienc ewith many of the all-ages venues in the area, as well as somewhat playing without a tradtional venue. Most of he group's shows were all-ages, as most of its fans were under 21. They played the come-back show for Out of the Sun. They played Thee Parkside, which spends most of it's time being a 21+ bar. They played people's birthday parties. They played out on the street at Arts! Alive with a generator. And even removing the young fanbase, most of the members were models of the people passionate about the all-ages scene..."
Not much, I know, but perhaps to give a better idea why I'll focus on telling that story to tell the story of Humboldt all-ages music.
Preliminary Planning Stage 1-3
I wrote some notes for things that I'm going to have to start looking into in the next couple weeks this morning. This is it.
Next steps of planning:
Next steps of planning:
- Shop for a good mic to do interviews with, something light, chea, and compatible. Russ says to be prepared to spend around $100.
- Shop for a decent digital camera, something with basic manual functions and maybe rechargable battery. Be prepared to spend $200.
- Shop for a good external harddrive, soemwhere between 50gb and 100gb. I have no idea how much space I'll ned but that should be more than enough space.
- Finalize route. Go to Rochester with Jon? Pick day of departure and start contacting and confirming people on dates needed to stay.
- Once route(s) is finalized, begin researc of scenes. Do I already know bands fromt hat area? Can they help me find all-ages venues? Check to see if any groups listed on AMP that coincide with my trip are still up and running (many aren't).
Some ideas that might help me out in the long run...
- Eat cheap. Food can cost big $$ (last night I had to finally fix my spaghetti fixation, so I actually went to a sit-down restaurant better than a diner for the first time in months) that I'd rather have on the trip.
- Don't plan any more trips than the ones I already have committed to (Leftover Crack next week and Tahoe this winter) unless I can spend $25 or less on them (transportation and a place to stay). Find more people to go to Tahoe with.
- Sell somethings. I have way more clothes than I need, if I can sell some it'll help multiple fronts. Also, as I plan on buying wintery clothes, make them work appropreate so I can write that off my debt with my mom.
- Practice query letters. contact writing resources and see who might be interested. Write apology to Jen Savage. Email Grandma Kate. Talk to Bob about trip, see if he has ideas.
- Look at grants, ask Julie or Libby for help. You never know.
Saturday, October 6, 2007
Rough Copy of Introduction
Okay, I really should be heading to Pastels right now but I'm having trouble keeping my head up (literally) so I think I'll put this up first. And I will think of a better title.
On Music, the All-Ages Scene, and Why I Want to Take This Trip...
Music is one of the most important aspects of cultures all over the globe. It permeates our lives, young and old, rich and poor, and it's everywhere we go. Although there are many ways to enjoy music, there is nothing that compares with a live show or concert. Here in the U.S. and Canada we have thousands of bars, clubs, and other venues dedicated towards live music, from the large halls like the Carnigie in New York to tiny coffeeshops like Luna's in Sacramento. With all these shows and concerts, it's bewildering that there's a stark age discrimination present in the live music business. A common thread woven throughout the U.S. is the struggle of all-ages clubs and venues, while bars and 18+ venues thrive. Why, in such a vibrant musical culture, would those who sought to bring music to youth come under fire?
I have firsthand experience with this peculiar phenomenon. When I was 17 I first started promoting all-ages events through an email list. This lead me to a group called The Placebo, an all-ages collective run venue in Eureka, California. I immediately was entranced and started helping as much as I could, booking, promoting, managing shows, and even learning how to run the PA. After that I was offered a column in a local weekly paper to talk about all-ages events, furthering my skillset as a promoter. I loved it. So I didn't really understand when things started to go wrong. We kept getting noise complaints, even though we were operating in an industrial neighborhood. I had to end a few shows early when the cops would show up. I knew about The Placebo's rotten luck in the past, but the whole thing just felt unfair. Then our neighbors, another all-ages venue, were shut down for want of proper permits. We followed suit by closing our doors, to be safe.
What happened over the next couple months was hard. I attended city council meetings, not only in support of my club, but another that had been shut down in a different city. I experienced yet another all-ages show getting shut down by cops. here we were, attempting to provide a drug and alcohol free space for kids to see music, and due to busts by police the scene was moved to houses where kids would routinely get too drunk to stand up straight. It didn't make any sense!
Then I had my epiphany. I was trying to book a band I was friends with a show north in Oregon or Washington, and discovered that in those places there were venues just like the ones in my area facing similar problems. I thought to myself, "Maybe if we stand together and share with each other, we can all become stronger and overcome this." Of course I'm not the first person to get this idea, there are actually a couple groups out there like the All-Ages Movement Project currently run out of San Francisco that have the same aim as me. There are a cople bands out there that have at least attempted all all-ages tours, a surprisingly difficult feat. But for the most part, a good majority of all-ages clubs are struggling to stay in business themselves, and frankly don't have time to help other clubs. So instead of having venues send me information I intend to go to them for it.
My goal behind this trip is simple, I ant to see how I can help the all-ages scene across the country. I intend to find out why places like The Vera Project succeeded where others like Yes Yes Alliance failed. What are the stories of those involved? One of the things that all-ages venues tend to have universally is people involved who care more than a little about music, youth, and doing something positive for the community. What is it about the all-ages scene that makes them passionate to keep fighting? I want to see if I'm right, see if the best way to win is to unite and fight together.
On Music, the All-Ages Scene, and Why I Want to Take This Trip...
Music is one of the most important aspects of cultures all over the globe. It permeates our lives, young and old, rich and poor, and it's everywhere we go. Although there are many ways to enjoy music, there is nothing that compares with a live show or concert. Here in the U.S. and Canada we have thousands of bars, clubs, and other venues dedicated towards live music, from the large halls like the Carnigie in New York to tiny coffeeshops like Luna's in Sacramento. With all these shows and concerts, it's bewildering that there's a stark age discrimination present in the live music business. A common thread woven throughout the U.S. is the struggle of all-ages clubs and venues, while bars and 18+ venues thrive. Why, in such a vibrant musical culture, would those who sought to bring music to youth come under fire?
I have firsthand experience with this peculiar phenomenon. When I was 17 I first started promoting all-ages events through an email list. This lead me to a group called The Placebo, an all-ages collective run venue in Eureka, California. I immediately was entranced and started helping as much as I could, booking, promoting, managing shows, and even learning how to run the PA. After that I was offered a column in a local weekly paper to talk about all-ages events, furthering my skillset as a promoter. I loved it. So I didn't really understand when things started to go wrong. We kept getting noise complaints, even though we were operating in an industrial neighborhood. I had to end a few shows early when the cops would show up. I knew about The Placebo's rotten luck in the past, but the whole thing just felt unfair. Then our neighbors, another all-ages venue, were shut down for want of proper permits. We followed suit by closing our doors, to be safe.
What happened over the next couple months was hard. I attended city council meetings, not only in support of my club, but another that had been shut down in a different city. I experienced yet another all-ages show getting shut down by cops. here we were, attempting to provide a drug and alcohol free space for kids to see music, and due to busts by police the scene was moved to houses where kids would routinely get too drunk to stand up straight. It didn't make any sense!
Then I had my epiphany. I was trying to book a band I was friends with a show north in Oregon or Washington, and discovered that in those places there were venues just like the ones in my area facing similar problems. I thought to myself, "Maybe if we stand together and share with each other, we can all become stronger and overcome this." Of course I'm not the first person to get this idea, there are actually a couple groups out there like the All-Ages Movement Project currently run out of San Francisco that have the same aim as me. There are a cople bands out there that have at least attempted all all-ages tours, a surprisingly difficult feat. But for the most part, a good majority of all-ages clubs are struggling to stay in business themselves, and frankly don't have time to help other clubs. So instead of having venues send me information I intend to go to them for it.
My goal behind this trip is simple, I ant to see how I can help the all-ages scene across the country. I intend to find out why places like The Vera Project succeeded where others like Yes Yes Alliance failed. What are the stories of those involved? One of the things that all-ages venues tend to have universally is people involved who care more than a little about music, youth, and doing something positive for the community. What is it about the all-ages scene that makes them passionate to keep fighting? I want to see if I'm right, see if the best way to win is to unite and fight together.
Preliminary Planning Stage 1-2
I'm working a bit more on my big long list of goals and objectives and preparations for the trip. I have a rough draft of sort of a cover letter/introduction to the whole piece, although I would definitely recommend that it is particularly rough. I intend to post it up here in the next day or so, right now my ears are ringing and I've got quite the case of whiplash, both ailments to be complimented to Iceage Cobra for rocking me so hard it causes injury. Hopefully I will be able to see them when I'm on my trip, as they're based out of Seattle. Awesome guys. They're doing an interview tomorrow on KSLG 94.1 with my good friend Monica.
So not much of an update on the trip planning, I guess, but I will post that rough up here in a little bit. But now it's time to veg out so I can actually get up tomorrow to do a square for Pastels on the Plaza.
So not much of an update on the trip planning, I guess, but I will post that rough up here in a little bit. But now it's time to veg out so I can actually get up tomorrow to do a square for Pastels on the Plaza.
Thursday, October 4, 2007
Preliminary Planning Stage 1
So in the interest of getting ready for this trip I've started the preliminary planning for this coming winter/spring. I'm driving every couple days with my grandma (and I'm getting a bit better too, I'm starting the car on the first try without stalling out most of the time now). I also purchased a US road map and have been attempting to figure out distances of travel and plan on and pick which cities to visit. Devon insists that we should go through Austin, TX, but I think that by the time we're in Lincoln, NE we're just going to want to get home. I offered the compromise that we figure out the trip going both routes and then decide when we're in Lincoln what we want to do. I'm attempting to try and consider this as realistically as possible, although I have no context to compare it too. But now it's solidified that the end of the trip will need to be in April, as there is no way neither of us (nor the car, most probably) want to be in the heat of the southwest in the summer.
The next stage, after figuring out a basic route, will be to do research on the decided cities. I'm attempting to contact people I already know in those cities or who have been to those cities for information. I also want to conduct practice interviews with people in the local all-ages community. I will begin to shop for digital cameras and microphones with Russ. Russ and I are also planning a sort of practice road-trip, going down to visit my dad in S. Lake Tahoe this winter (and I can start research and info gathering there while I'm at it). My goal is to take an equal share in driving, and also to bring Gus (the black car) down there. Dad has agreed to teach me how to put chains on Gus and drive with them on the car, a skill I'll most likely need when I'm traveling through Montana, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and the Dakotas.
I'll be putting up the preliminary destinations, a started rough draft of my goals and objectives for the trip (for magazines and/or people in areas I'm unfamiliar with to show them what I'm after), and possibly see if I can make a Google map of the trip... all in the next few days (I hope).
The next stage, after figuring out a basic route, will be to do research on the decided cities. I'm attempting to contact people I already know in those cities or who have been to those cities for information. I also want to conduct practice interviews with people in the local all-ages community. I will begin to shop for digital cameras and microphones with Russ. Russ and I are also planning a sort of practice road-trip, going down to visit my dad in S. Lake Tahoe this winter (and I can start research and info gathering there while I'm at it). My goal is to take an equal share in driving, and also to bring Gus (the black car) down there. Dad has agreed to teach me how to put chains on Gus and drive with them on the car, a skill I'll most likely need when I'm traveling through Montana, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and the Dakotas.
I'll be putting up the preliminary destinations, a started rough draft of my goals and objectives for the trip (for magazines and/or people in areas I'm unfamiliar with to show them what I'm after), and possibly see if I can make a Google map of the trip... all in the next few days (I hope).
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